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		<title>Comment on Plugging Abandoned Wells by Download Digsby</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=46&#038;cpage=1#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Download Digsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing, I found this particular article while looking for infomation for my term report, fascinating comments and fantastic points made.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by John</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Producers Form 88, rev. 04-05&quot; doesn&#039;t mean anything to me. There were/are printing companies that produced pre-printed lease forms with &quot;Producers Form 88&quot; at the top followed by words, letters and/or numbers. Knowing which printing company the form came from might enable a person who has their catalog to find that particular lease form. Kansas Blue Print Co. made most of the lease forms seen in Kansas for years. Kraftbilt in Oklahoma puts out the AAPL forms (identified by number) seen more in Oklahoma and Texas. 

I don&#039;t recall ever seeing a &quot;Producers Form 88 Rider&quot; in anybody&#039;s forms catalog. I often see leases with &quot;See Exhibit A attached&quot; at the end. Exhibit A will have additional provisions that may or may not do anything to make the lease better one way or the other. I developed an Addendum for one of my &quot;lessee&quot; clients that was attached to the AAPL 690/691 lease forms they were using. It added an additional pipeline easement and some other things they needed, plus a couple paragraphs for the lessor&#039;s benefit. It didn&#039;t actually add benefits the lessor didn&#039;t already have under various statutes, regulations and implied covenants, but they felt better seeing them in writing as part of the lease.

A lot of leases these days are word processed documents written by a lawyer or landman or whoever. I think they usually start out copying one of the pre-printed forms, and then edit in ways they think better serve their interests. I&#039;ve written a number of lease forms, with &quot;Producers Form 88&quot; at the top along with some meaningless letters/numbers; the body of the lease done with small fonts and margins to make them look like they must be &quot;standard&quot; leases. 

It would be fairly futile to try to devise a &quot;one size fits all&quot; rider or addendum or Exhibit A. Not only are there different lease forms, but an important &quot;extra&quot; for a Kansas lease could backfire in another state. There may be a &quot;lessor&#039;s checklist&quot; out there somewhere, that one could use for reference in reviewing a lease and drafting a rider. I&#039;ve never had occasion to make such a checklist myself. I think I&#039;ve seen a few over the past 30 years, but couldn&#039;t tell you where. You could check out royalty owner websites (there are some links on my &quot;Links&quot; page). While it&#039;s better to know more about oil and gas leases before signing one, it&#039;s an &quot;esoteric&quot; area of the law and fraught with traps for lawyers who are not well versed in it, not to mention non-lawyers who might think they&#039;ve covered their bases with a rider they found somewhere or wrote themselves.

Short answer(s): No, without seeing the particular lease, I could neither point out a rider nor draft one and call it suitable. Having seen a particular lease I still couldn&#039;t point to a ready-made rider, nor could I draft one I&#039;d consider suitable without a consultation to identify individual circumstances that should be addressed along with &quot;standard&quot; lessor concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Producers Form 88, rev. 04-05&#8243; doesn&#8217;t mean anything to me. There were/are printing companies that produced pre-printed lease forms with &#8220;Producers Form 88&#8243; at the top followed by words, letters and/or numbers. Knowing which printing company the form came from might enable a person who has their catalog to find that particular lease form. Kansas Blue Print Co. made most of the lease forms seen in Kansas for years. Kraftbilt in Oklahoma puts out the AAPL forms (identified by number) seen more in Oklahoma and Texas. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall ever seeing a &#8220;Producers Form 88 Rider&#8221; in anybody&#8217;s forms catalog. I often see leases with &#8220;See Exhibit A attached&#8221; at the end. Exhibit A will have additional provisions that may or may not do anything to make the lease better one way or the other. I developed an Addendum for one of my &#8220;lessee&#8221; clients that was attached to the AAPL 690/691 lease forms they were using. It added an additional pipeline easement and some other things they needed, plus a couple paragraphs for the lessor&#8217;s benefit. It didn&#8217;t actually add benefits the lessor didn&#8217;t already have under various statutes, regulations and implied covenants, but they felt better seeing them in writing as part of the lease.</p>
<p>A lot of leases these days are word processed documents written by a lawyer or landman or whoever. I think they usually start out copying one of the pre-printed forms, and then edit in ways they think better serve their interests. I&#8217;ve written a number of lease forms, with &#8220;Producers Form 88&#8243; at the top along with some meaningless letters/numbers; the body of the lease done with small fonts and margins to make them look like they must be &#8220;standard&#8221; leases. </p>
<p>It would be fairly futile to try to devise a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; rider or addendum or Exhibit A. Not only are there different lease forms, but an important &#8220;extra&#8221; for a Kansas lease could backfire in another state. There may be a &#8220;lessor&#8217;s checklist&#8221; out there somewhere, that one could use for reference in reviewing a lease and drafting a rider. I&#8217;ve never had occasion to make such a checklist myself. I think I&#8217;ve seen a few over the past 30 years, but couldn&#8217;t tell you where. You could check out royalty owner websites (there are some links on my &#8220;Links&#8221; page). While it&#8217;s better to know more about oil and gas leases before signing one, it&#8217;s an &#8220;esoteric&#8221; area of the law and fraught with traps for lawyers who are not well versed in it, not to mention non-lawyers who might think they&#8217;ve covered their bases with a rider they found somewhere or wrote themselves.</p>
<p>Short answer(s): No, without seeing the particular lease, I could neither point out a rider nor draft one and call it suitable. Having seen a particular lease I still couldn&#8217;t point to a ready-made rider, nor could I draft one I&#8217;d consider suitable without a consultation to identify individual circumstances that should be addressed along with &#8220;standard&#8221; lessor concerns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by Chris Graves</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 03:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been asked to execute a Producers Form 88, rev. 04-05.  Can you tell where I can find a rider that is suitable for this contract?  Not being an attorney, but a cautious layperson, several items concern me.  I&#039;d bet my lunch that a rider is floating around somewhere that would cover my concerns, as surely they have surfaced previously.
THANK YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been asked to execute a Producers Form 88, rev. 04-05.  Can you tell where I can find a rider that is suitable for this contract?  Not being an attorney, but a cautious layperson, several items concern me.  I&#8217;d bet my lunch that a rider is floating around somewhere that would cover my concerns, as surely they have surfaced previously.<br />
THANK YOU</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by John</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 18:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 30 years of this, I would hope to sound a little savvy. There&#039;s still plenty about it that I&#039;m not savvy about, though. The oil virgin investors are a mixed blessing. As long as they&#039;re getting checks they tend to be happy and not ask a lot of questions. But they&#039;re the ones who don&#039;t appreciate what the operator goes through to get the oil out of the ground and keep it flowing. I told a client recently he should take the investors out to tour a lease this summer. An hour in 100 degree heat and a couple dozen ticks crawling up their legs might make them a little more appreciative of what he does. On the other hand, there are operators who inflate the operating expenses on top of the override they kept on top of being carried on the drilling costs. And yet, people still invest in their deals. Incredible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years of this, I would hope to sound a little savvy. There&#8217;s still plenty about it that I&#8217;m not savvy about, though. The oil virgin investors are a mixed blessing. As long as they&#8217;re getting checks they tend to be happy and not ask a lot of questions. But they&#8217;re the ones who don&#8217;t appreciate what the operator goes through to get the oil out of the ground and keep it flowing. I told a client recently he should take the investors out to tour a lease this summer. An hour in 100 degree heat and a couple dozen ticks crawling up their legs might make them a little more appreciative of what he does. On the other hand, there are operators who inflate the operating expenses on top of the override they kept on top of being carried on the drilling costs. And yet, people still invest in their deals. Incredible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by Duncan McCalla</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan McCalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John, You sound very oil business savy. My partners are also a close group and I see also unbelievable amounts of money available for oil prospects from people who know very little about the business. I always avoid them because there is usually too much explaining to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John, You sound very oil business savy. My partners are also a close group and I see also unbelievable amounts of money available for oil prospects from people who know very little about the business. I always avoid them because there is usually too much explaining to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oil &amp; Gas Seminar by John</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=101&#038;cpage=1#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hindsight it&#039;s sort of surprising I hadn&#039;t noticed before, but it wasn&#039;t until last year that I realized I had no African-American clients in my oil and gas practice, and that I&#039;d never even seen any working in the oil patch in any capacity. As of last year, I have one African-American client who heads up a company operating leases. I can&#039;t think of particular classes to suggest, but attending seminars where you can mingle with actual &quot;oilmen&quot; might be helpful. I didn&#039;t even take oil and gas in law school. I&#039;ve always wished I had a better understanding of the actual geology, and better familiarity with drilling and completion. I wish I&#039;d worked a summer with a drilling crew, or something like that. On the other hand, maybe you&#039;d do better to intern with some capital funding types, get your foot in the door where big bucks are made on drilling programs aimed at investors. Depends on who you think you might like to work for, and what aspect of the business interests you. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hindsight it&#8217;s sort of surprising I hadn&#8217;t noticed before, but it wasn&#8217;t until last year that I realized I had no African-American clients in my oil and gas practice, and that I&#8217;d never even seen any working in the oil patch in any capacity. As of last year, I have one African-American client who heads up a company operating leases. I can&#8217;t think of particular classes to suggest, but attending seminars where you can mingle with actual &#8220;oilmen&#8221; might be helpful. I didn&#8217;t even take oil and gas in law school. I&#8217;ve always wished I had a better understanding of the actual geology, and better familiarity with drilling and completion. I wish I&#8217;d worked a summer with a drilling crew, or something like that. On the other hand, maybe you&#8217;d do better to intern with some capital funding types, get your foot in the door where big bucks are made on drilling programs aimed at investors. Depends on who you think you might like to work for, and what aspect of the business interests you. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oil &amp; Gas Seminar by LaMont</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=101&#038;cpage=1#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>LaMont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a law student at Oklahoma City University School of Law.  I have no experience in oil and gas.  However, I have became interested in the industry now that I live in Oklahoma.  I plan to learn title and deed research this summer (actual work and not case book property).  I would like to enter the industry when I graduate.  Is it very competitive?  I am an African-American.  I have been told that there is a shortage of minorities.  Is this accurate information from your professional experience?  Also, is there any advice you may want to share such as specific classes or seminars that I should take?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a law student at Oklahoma City University School of Law.  I have no experience in oil and gas.  However, I have became interested in the industry now that I live in Oklahoma.  I plan to learn title and deed research this summer (actual work and not case book property).  I would like to enter the industry when I graduate.  Is it very competitive?  I am an African-American.  I have been told that there is a shortage of minorities.  Is this accurate information from your professional experience?  Also, is there any advice you may want to share such as specific classes or seminars that I should take?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by John</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t really found that to be the case. However, my clients who offer fractional interest assignments are fairly small independents dealing with investors with whom there&#039;s already a business relationship, or friends of such investors. Although the forms I draft tend to be more &quot;standard&quot;, these investors wouldn&#039;t know the difference, and they&#039;re only concerned about their assignments, not the lease.

I&#039;ve noticed that penny stock promoters or others who may have SEC filing requirements always want to use AAPL 610 operating agreements and 1984 COPAS and AAPL 637 farmout agreements, even though they&#039;re overkill for the particular drilling program. Of course they do this for the very reason you mention. Frequently, it&#039;s not very long before such promoters use up the investors&#039; money and realize they&#039;re deep into the red as to actual operation of the wells. Of course, I&#039;m speaking from a Kansas oil patch perspective, particularly Eastern Kansas. 

Getting back to lease forms, though, I&#039;m seeing such promoters often using their own &quot;customized&quot; (and often incompetent) lease forms as well as assignment forms. You&#039;re probably referring to sophisticated oil and gas investors who actually have some knowledge about the business; whereas, many of the promoters I&#039;m seeing (not my clients, by the way) deal with investors who are totally unfamiliar with it. It has never ceased to amaze me how many people out there are willing to hand over large sums of money on the strength of basically nothing of substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t really found that to be the case. However, my clients who offer fractional interest assignments are fairly small independents dealing with investors with whom there&#8217;s already a business relationship, or friends of such investors. Although the forms I draft tend to be more &#8220;standard&#8221;, these investors wouldn&#8217;t know the difference, and they&#8217;re only concerned about their assignments, not the lease.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that penny stock promoters or others who may have SEC filing requirements always want to use AAPL 610 operating agreements and 1984 COPAS and AAPL 637 farmout agreements, even though they&#8217;re overkill for the particular drilling program. Of course they do this for the very reason you mention. Frequently, it&#8217;s not very long before such promoters use up the investors&#8217; money and realize they&#8217;re deep into the red as to actual operation of the wells. Of course, I&#8217;m speaking from a Kansas oil patch perspective, particularly Eastern Kansas. </p>
<p>Getting back to lease forms, though, I&#8217;m seeing such promoters often using their own &#8220;customized&#8221; (and often incompetent) lease forms as well as assignment forms. You&#8217;re probably referring to sophisticated oil and gas investors who actually have some knowledge about the business; whereas, many of the promoters I&#8217;m seeing (not my clients, by the way) deal with investors who are totally unfamiliar with it. It has never ceased to amaze me how many people out there are willing to hand over large sums of money on the strength of basically nothing of substance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by duncan mccalla</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>duncan mccalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, investors/working interest owners only invest in a prospect with recognized forms. The Oil business is a century old business. It&#039;s good to find a discussion on these forms in the newer generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, investors/working interest owners only invest in a prospect with recognized forms. The Oil business is a century old business. It&#8217;s good to find a discussion on these forms in the newer generations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Standard Producer&#8217;s 88 Lease by John</title>
		<link>http://jchap.com/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use WordPress. Good luck.</description>
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